Norms Restoration - 31 Seater Projects & Leyland TD 5 Project

1939 Leyland TD5 [1635 DD]

2018

Discussion June

Chris Dempsey 4th Jun
Scottish Motor Traction HH3 Leyland TD5 GAT 62 ex East Yorkshire 376 n/d.
Picture from www.caingram.info
Norman Julian 7th Jun
A question for someone.
The decker on the left is a typical post war and the one on the right is prewar.
Why would the post war have a emergency door release right next to a hop on hop off platform, whereas the prewar has a fixed window which does make sense.

Stuart Brown
More room to get out...
Looks great lit up like that...
Mark Spencer
Wow.
Doesn't it look great at night with the lights on.
Just love it.
Norman Julian 21 Jun
Norman Julian
I'd bet those single deck AECs were the predecessors to the later 31 seater frogs.
Ben Summers
Filmed by Russell Waddington, the footage shows the company moving to Granville in 1937.
May I please share this to Old Sydney Album, Norman?
John Clarke
Ben Summers, that's where I found it!
Norman Julian
Of course buddy.
I have shared it.
Chris Dempsey
The single decks were AEC Regal and Double decks were Albion Venturers
Lee Hall
Brilliant.
Bet that decker looked great with its brand new panels and paint
Mark Spencer
What a great video.
Norman Julian 29 Jun
I'm paying a visit down to the Bus Museum tomorrow to see a few familiar faces and to inspect the 1937 TD4 that is part of the collection to get some ideas for this project.
Specifically, I want to see the rear emergency door bottom hinges to see how they were attached to the frame.
Because there was nothing left of the bottom of the window frame I want to get a better understanding on how it was done.
It will be nice to just look at these wonderful machines and admire them.
John Clarke
I live much closer than you, and, to my shame, have not yet been.
Norman Julian
I hate going to Sydney so I don't get down there very often.
Brian King
me too
Rusty Williams
ASK ABOUT ROUTE NUMBERS
Norman Julian
Don't you raise your caps lock at me.
LOL
Rusty Williams
i'm sorry i'm 73 couldn't find my glasses
Rusty Williams
Just joking my friend!
Rusty Williams
its ok
John Clarke
Norman, your TD5 doesn't seen to have the canvas concertina side door.
were they fitted, or did yours have one fitted, and removed later?
I well remember them in Newcastle when I was a child, although I don't know whether they were on TD5s or not.
Norman Julian
Just guessing John but they may have come along in later models.
John Clarke
I'm sure someone will tell us!
Brian Blunt
Canvas front doors came on post war buses
John Clarke
Brian Blunt Thank you!
Charles Shipway
Norman don’t stay in Sydney to long There are many of us waiting to give our free advice and view a Bus finished doesn’t matter which one your supporters are an impatient people aren’t we
Carle Gregory
Norman Julian i didnt know you knew Rusty
Brian Blunt
Everybody knows Rusty or his alter egos
Charles Shipway
Norman don’t stay in Sydney to long There are many of us waiting to give our free advice and view a Bus finished doesn’t matter which one your supporters are an impatient people aren’t we
Mark Spencer
What have I been missing
Carle Gregory
Norman Julian i didnt know you knew Rusty
Brian Blunt
Everybody knows Rusty or his alter egos
Norman Julian 30 Jun
Now this would be a challenge!
Graeme Knappick
You could do it. ��
Garth Taylor
You could do it easily Norm.
Norman Julian
Norman Julian
This beauty will probably only ever be part of the static display.
Alan Routh
Looks a lot better now than what it used to
Norman Julian 30 Jun
This maybe the only other TD5 still intact!
Dave Mclaughlin
Is this old girl,your project, Norman?
Norman Julian
This is the only other TD5 that we can see at this stage and it belongs to the Sydney Bus Museum.
Dave Mclaughlin
Norman Julian ,OK, good to have a comparable model?
Chris Dempsey
1438 - sold 10/60 to J.Steiner Coonamble NSW then to Pilliga near Dubbo NSW as shed then retrieved by Leyland Synd HCVA Tempe 3/96
after sitting in the same spot for 35 years ( it has been replaced by AEC Regent 111 ex 2451) it is now awaiting full restoration
Norman Julian
There is quite a lot of work to be done by some lucky person or persons.
Mark Spencer
This looks very much like yours
Norman Julian
Yeah Mark! It is the same.
Like mine it needs a lot of love
Norman Julian 30 Jun
I have solved the problem of how I will make new body panels using the the same method they used back before the war.
These photos are from the Adelaide Daimler d/decker being restored at the museum.
The panels you see are new and done by the swaging method.

Norman Julian
I will be taught properly but it is a press with roller jigs and when you place a flat sheet of aluminium in one end and turn the handle depending the size of the jig or roller you use it makes that crease or steped effect you can see in the photos.
The same principal as a can opener, but not cut through.
Norman Julian
Thanks buddy
Norman Julian 30 Jun
Nothing to do with mine but an absolute beauty anyway.
An AEC Regent. Just some of the shots I took today.

Sidney Rea
A very nice job well done
Laurence Glenn Bowmaker
OH....that is beautiful.
Norman Julian
Yeah sure is.
2 pak.
The only way to paint these days.
Norman Julian
Buses used to be hand painted by either a roller or brushed.
The guys were that good at their job that unless looked very hard at it you would not see brush strokes or roller marks.
There is conflicting opinions on how these old buses should be done.
I myself had thought that I wanted my buses painted the same way they used to do them, but over time and what I have seen and information I have picked up, I'm going to use 2 pak.
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Sept 2018
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