Norms Restoration - 31 Seater Projects & Leyland TD 5 Project

1939 Leyland TD5 [1635 DD]

2018


Body September

Norman Julian 8 Sep
Still working on this door.
I'm making four shims for each corner of the door for the aluminium skin to be folded over onto so when the glass goes in there will only be a very small gap all the way round.
This is hard to understand without seeing the finished article.
As I have explained before this frame has a slight curve in it and a flat piece of glass sitting in it so it has to look right.


Norman Julian
Has to be a particular angle
Maxwell Mcroberts
Too technical for me Norm������


Norman Julian 9 Sep
I have put the door back on for the final time to make final adjustments and to see if I am happy with the gaps all round.
Clearance at the top will be adjusted for the extra 1.5 to 2mm when the skin goes on.
The gap on the sides will benifit from the extra increase.
Once the aluminium skin goes on there is little I can do.
Charles Shipway
Well on the way Norman
Norman Julian 9 Sep
Making a start on the skin.
Charles Shipway
Norman Time takes care of most tricky jobs don’t you recon Nearly there
Norman Julian
I want to finish this job Charles Shipway and then get back to the AEC.
Spent far too much time on this.
Norman Julian 15 Sep
Back into it today.
Another busy week.
I have to admit I was a little unsure about how this real test of metal shaping for me would go.
Being a tight rounded corner and then folding back on itself I wasn't sure how it would go.
Anyway, I'm satisfied and now have the other end to do and then the middle.



Charles Shipway
Thanks for the updates Norman
Looking good Mate
Norman Julian 15 Sep
Skin done!
Now to just work out how to do a better job on holding the glass in then the way it was.


Norman Julian 16 Sep
I tried it for size this morning and I'm satisfied.
The frame is slightly larger on the width and the angle is a little less allowing for a better fit.
If I didn't have the side panels to contend with it would have been even better.



Lee Hall
Looks great
Norman Julian
Thanks buddy. Lots of work.
Still have to make the internal window angle work better than it was originally.
Lee Hall
Am sure you will mate, gonna be the dogs danglies when it’s done
David Wilson
bewdiful
Charles Shipway
Well done Norman looks fantastic
Greg Scott
Looking good norm !
I appreciate how much work goes into these doors. !
Mark Spencer
A great job but what happened to the old one?
Norman Julian
Rusted out
Norman Julian
It will take some planning to get this back up the top.
Awkward and heavy.
Mark Spencer
I can come over if you like and lend a hand?
Norman Julian
Mark Spencer Thanks for offering buddy
Norman Julian 22 Sep
Today I have started putting back on the finishing touches to this door.
This is the now working door mechanism with the outside handle on.
It works very well.
Next the glass goes in then aluminium quad that holds the glass in.
I have an idea as to hide the section of aluminium that will stand out in the middle because of the curved frame.
I have also been wondering how I'm going to get this door up a ladder and into position on my own because it is weighty and awkward now without anything else there.
The glass alone is bloody heavy.
I have an idea and will let you in on that one later.

Norman Julian 22 Sep
New glass with rubber seal sitting nicely in position.
I decided to replace the old quad because it was corroded pretty badly and it never met up properly in each corner. Timber to still go around the inside of the frame to finish it off.
Paul Andreatta
What a neat job.
Norman Julian 23 Sep
This is a recap on what it looked like before I started.




Charles Shipway
Thanks for the photos Julian something to look back on when the bus is finished
Norman Julian
Charles Shipway Norm Charles
Charles Shipway
Norm I was getting tired and should have stopped earlier
Norman Julian
Charles Shipway That's alright my friend.
It is a common mistake.
Norman Julian 23 Sep
Almost finished.

Norman Julian 26th Sep
Hello fellow bus enthusiasts!
I have just about arrived at the end of the work I'm going to do on this project for the time being but I have left the most challenging to last.
This panel as you can see is very battered and full of unnecessary holes.
It also has been hacked about around the nearside hinge.
It sits on the bottom horizontal beam of the rear emergency door and because it has to go on and sit in position before I put the door back on it poses a problem because of its condition.
I could repair it but my skills using the welder I bought are not up to scratch yet.
I have given some thought into making a new one from steel.
My skills welding steel and soldering are far better than tig welding thin aluminium but I have still yet to purchase the swaging machine to get the effect as seen on the bottom of this panel.
I could leave it for another time but I like to finish a job before moving on.
Decisions, decisions.




Charles Shipway
Norm it’s your choice and I recon yours is fantastic
Greg Scott
I know exactly where you are coming from norm !
Its the unusual shaped panels and trims that would be near impossible to obtain or reproduce that you just have to put the elbow grease into
its nothing for me to spend 6 to 8 or 12 hours just on a small trim panel beating and sanding filling holes etc. !
Some of larger corner panels etc ive spent 40 hours on ! The rear emergency door for me 60 hours and im only at the half way mark !
This is all the behind the scenes stuff !
I call it invisible hours !
Its great watching it all slowly coming together and i just love it !
Youre doing a great job and as we say !
There is only one person who knows exactly what is involved in their own rebuild !
Norman Julian
Yes Greg!
You are the only other I can think of that understands my pain.
LOL
Stuart Brown
I would get somebody with TIG skills to weld it up for you then do the finishing of it yourself.
Wouldn't be much for the TIG work.
Adrian Spencer
You have the gear why not do both. then if you botch the aluminum you can keep going with the steel.
Practice
Practice
Norman Julian 29 Sep
Got a little carried away and took off more than I intended.
I was happy though.
Only minor rust in the upper frame.
A little more in the panel below the desto box.

Norman Julian
Basically superficial rust.
Not bad for its age.


Norman Julian
I had to pull off half the bus to get to this light globe panel.
Norman Julian 30 Sep
Dissapointing but not surprising!
Now instead of just cleaning up around the desto box it will have to be pulled out to make way for repairs.





Norman Julian 30 Sep
Don't despair everyone.
This is actually a good thing believe it or not.
Now that I know there is significant rust issues I will take off all the panels and replace what needs to be done.
It will just take a little longer to restore.
Paul Andreatta
I like the way you think.
With a resto of this size, you want it right the first time so you don't go there again.
Norman Julian 30 Sep
Time to walk away and do something else.




Darren Warren
By the looks of it I would be walking away and never looking back lol
Dennis Boros
If that’s the worst, then you are extremely lucky.
I have seen and repaired much worse in a bus that was much younger.
Pain in the arse for sure, but a heck of a lot more fun than collecting stamps.
Norman Julian
It would be nice to see what you have done, Dennis.
Carle Gregory
I thought you were going to leave the DD alone this weekend and get back on the AEC?
Norman Julian
I am now! LOL
Norman Julian
Curiosity got the better of me Carl.
I was thinking "I'll just peel off another panel, then another and another".
Clynton Brown
Norman Julian don’t do that, it never works out!
Even on buildings ��
Carle Gregory
Norman Julian yep many a street machine and resto started out this way
Norman Julian 30 Sep
This is the first time I have ever dealt with this situation.
This is where the top deck meets the bottom deck.
They are not joined to each other.
On the inside of the pillar and attached to the floor beam or bow is a gusset, I'm thinking the gusset must be bolted to the floor.
Interesting idea.
You can see here that there is no corrosion between the upper and lower deck just rough work.
I will have to peel off more panels to get a clearer picture.


Andrew Blacklock
The big C
Norman Julian
The big "C" as you call it doesn't worry me in the slightest.
It's all the stuff that is covering it and taking dozens of things off to get to that rust that takes the time.
David Wilson
you won't be able to stop now Norm I speak from experience
Norman Julian
David Wilson are the pillars suppose to be joined or not?
Lee Hall
Mine was the same.
The bolts were rusted away too so only the panels were keeping the top deck in place..
Norman Julian
This a recent photo, Lee?
Lee Hall
Na was a couple of month ago.
Lee Hall This one is more recent.

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September 2018
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