Norms Restoration - 31 Seater Projects & Leyland TD 5 Project

1939 Leyland TD5 [1635 DD]

2019

Discussion April

Chris Dempsey 15 Apr
Offner Bus Service Leyland TD5 MO-4290 ex 1429 sold to Toronto Bus Service.
Picture from the Ken Magor collection
Norman Julian 20 Apr
Here are some stats about this bus.
It is a 1939 Leyland TD5.
The TD stands for Titan Decker series 5.
Engine number now is C3014 [current motor]
The original engine number was 12452.
The type of motor is E102N which developed 68.6hp [349.8ci or 5.732cc].
Chassis number is TD5-302968.
Department of Government Transport [Sydney] No. 1635.
Body built by Waddingtons of Granville, NSW in 1939.
Withdrawn from service in 1960. 21 years of service.
First entered service at Manly Dept in October 1939.
Then sent to North Sydney in the mid 40s then relocated to Willoughby dept in June 1958.
The engine uses 40 grade mineral oil.
The gearbox uses 90 grade gearbox oil.
The diff uses no less than 120 grade oil that is suitable for a worm drive system.
Engine oil is used in the injection pump.
The bus after decommissioning was bought in 1963 by Len Jansen of Narramine.
It stayed in his keeping till July 2007 and was purchased by A Graham till I purchased it in November 2017.
I was told that the gearbox in this bus was reconditioned not long before decommissioning and has hardly done any work since.
This bus did not have a second life working with another bus company like most did.
3 years seems to be a long time sitting around in a yard before being sold off.
Tony Simpson-Morgan
Very interesting to hear the history of the bus. Thank you.
Gregor Neil Robertson
Don't understand rates HP.
That wouldn't be sufficient to haul a full bus up a hill!
Norman Julian
You should know that Gregor.
It was adopted by a Scottish fella called James Watt.
He wanted to compare the output of a typical steam engine with a drafthorse.
In other words the steam engine was used to haul something then got a draft horse to do the same job and if that horse couldn't do it on its own he would just keep adding a horse till it did the same job as the steam engine, or at least something like that. 1
James Leonard Garrod
Norman Julian Watt?
Could you repeat that....
Norman Julian
It's much too early for you.
Carle Gregory
Norman Julian James Leonard Garrod might need more Coffee, oh hang on he's a pom more tea then! ����
Norman Julian
Carle Gregory and a bath!
James Leonard Garrod
Norman Julian Can't.
The cats are snoozing in it.
James Leonard Garrod
Carle Gregory Bollocks.
COFFEE, Bitch, and keep 'em coming!
Carle Gregory
James Leonard Garrod like my father in-law, true cockney and drink Coffee like water
Norman Julian
Carle Gregory James is half breed.
He's just a "Cock"!
James Leonard Garrod
Norman Julian I'm pure bred Cockneyknee, the second knee is for your balls....
Garth Taylor
Thanks for that very informative details on the TD5.
I have to admit that I too am surprised at how small the motor is.
I always imagined it would be 7.7 or 9.6 litres.
Did you know that Shell Australia made a special heavy duty worm drive diff oil for Leylands, was mainly to cope with the stresses of long hard and slow climbs of dump trucks employed on the original Snowy construction.
From memory it was known as Spirax or Donax W.
Norman Julian
It is overhead cam though Garth.
Pretty advanced for 39.
Norman Julian 24th Apr
These photos will help a lot in this restoration.
A prewar frame probably a TD5.

Garry Coxhead
Great pics - great history
Norman Julian
Like most things you get to pick up certain clues about things that others wouldn't know.
The clues for me that this is either a TD4 or 5 is the rear emergency door for one and the crank handle for another. TD4 and 5s only had 2 hinges on their emergency doors whereas later models had 3.
The OPDY1s didn't have crank handles.
just noticed that the drivers door on this one has the top left hand side corner cut off.
The TD4 I'm sure is rounded in that area.
Stuart Brown
So much for just doing a bit of a fix/tart up.....
Norman Julian
So much what?
Stuart Brown
Norman Julian You initially said you weren't going to get carried away...
Then you found some rot...
Now you are posting complete frame photos....
I can see your OCD having you ( like me) get to the "Do it properly or not at all stage"
Like the other beautiful restoration work you always do..
Norman Julian
You always hope for the best but you also have to plan for the worst.
I also said the idea was to save most body panels from the day it was decommissioned. You have to peel the skin off to see what's underneath.
If you see the photos of what I have taken off so far it doesn't look promising.
Graeme Knappick Could be 1427 when new(?)
Norman Julian
Not sure what's going on here but from the way it looks it doesn't look new Graeme Knappick. The frame isn't uniform like you would expect with a brand new frame.
Maxwell Mcroberts
Just some news paper and pex paste and you will have aaaaaaaaaaaaa Pinyata?
Lee Hall How about 2672? Getting into it
Lee Hall
That buckled panel at the top doesn’t look like now mind..
Norman Julian
You doing this up as a camper of sorts mate?
Lee Hall
Yeah.
I know it’s not original but would have rotted away otherwise ��
Chris Dempsey A bit of history on Leyland OPD2 2672 - sold 6/76 to Hill Fairy Meadow then resold to Comalco Aluminium for can collection regd JLX.360 then noted 7/82 at Fyshwick ACT u/r
Lee Hall
Then was sold to a guy who took it to Laverton WA where it was converted into a motor home in 1986.
God knows what happened between then and now but ended up being a drug dealers pad in York WA.
And returning back to nature rusty bit by rusty bit ��
Lee Hall
Here is a photo or her in Canberra curtesy of Graeme Knappick
Norman Julian
Good on you.
Keep posting progress photos.
Lee Hall
Panels just about there mate
Norman Julian 24th Apr

https://www.facebook.com/Curiositatsdelpassat/videos/1072565336159131/
Peter Velthuis
I bet that's hard to watch.
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April 2019
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