Norms Restoration - 31 Seater Projects & Leyland TD 5 Project

1939 Leyland TD5 [1635 DD]

2019

Discussion June

Chris Dempsey 9 Jun
Scholes Bus Service Pixie Leyland TD5 m/o-182 ex 1562 at the depot Merewether 17/8/1969.
Photographer John Ward picture from Living Histories @ UON website
Norman Julian
A real survivor to last that long.
Ben Summers
Georgetown Bus Service also had a TD5 which lasted that long.
Rusty Williams
all their buses had names.
like PIXIE 1 & 2 ECT
Norman Julian
Mine apparently didn't have an afterlife.
Andrew Blacklock
Was there Pixie and Dixie ?
Rusty Williams
yes.
Rusty Williams
both 1 & 2 I think.
Jeffrey Bounds
Are they still around?
Rusty Williams
that and other private bus companys around newcastle all went years ago only private ones now are ex blue ribbon /cdc port stephens and rovers bus busways.
Rusty Williams
not my pics heres were it ended up near newcastle NMP
Norman Julian 15 Jun
Anyone guess as to how old this is and what she is!
Royce Webster
early 1960s vintage...probably 63...oh it’s a bus
Brian Blunt
The body might be, but the chassis could be much older.
Ben Summers
According to Scott Wilson, it is 1455 Leyland TD4 reportedly.
Using 1579 at The Sydney Bus Museum as a guide, the bus pictured is from at least 1936/37.
Norman Julian
RTS8 Fleet number is 1455 by Olding and Sons 1938.
Kuringai Bus Co. Only 3 vehicles were made.
Ben Summers RTS8?
Bob Gioia
Very rare vehicle.
Bryce Pender
Next addition to the collection Norman?
At least if only to stop it being destroyed.
David Wilson
originally a 1/2 cab refronted by Comeng after a pretty severe front ender in 1959.
Norman Julian
Bryce Pender I think so Bryce, if only to save it from oblivion.
I need another storage container for the Leyland Frog when I pull it down.
Norman Julian
This is a single decker bus with basically the same running gear as a TD4 or 5.
Engine and gearbox the same as the deckers.
A great spare parts vehicle and a storage shed.
Ben Summers
So it is not ex DGT?
David Wilson
it is an ex DGT 1/2 cab single decker - sold to Kuringai Bus Service in 1952.
It was refronted after a bad accident in 1959.
Chassis is Leyland TS-8 essentially theh same as a TD-5
Dennis Boros
That one would definitely be worth saving.
Ben Summers
Agree there, Dennis.
I'd put a replica halfcab body on it too.
Chris Dempsey
Leyland RTS8 1455
Unknown owner, Lightning Ridge NSW ['71]
ex Flemington Bus Sales for resale [6/71]…See more
Norman Julian
You're smart man Chris.
David Wilson
I saw that on Fleetlist but it omits to say that it ran as M/o 4103 for awhile with Oatley Bus Serv
Chris Dempse 23 Jun
Rover Motors 11 Leyland TD1 ex 1005.
Picture from the Ken Magor collection
Norman Julian
That's impressive!
Norman Julian
That would be a wooden frame.
James Leonard Garrod
I'd own that - Rover could really run riot in it!
Chris Dempsey23 Jun
1336 Thornycroft Daring right-hand view.
Photographer unknown picture source unknown
Norman Julian
That's smart looking!
James Leonard Garrod
What engine would this bus use?
Chris Dempsey 23 Jun
Two views of 1336

Brian Blunt
Interesting that the stairs come almost to the edge of the back platform. And no side desto box.
David Wilson
remember these early dds had narrower bodies -7'6"
Anthony Christie
Look very much like departmental photographs.
What was the first steel bodied Double Decker for the DRTT David Wilson?
David Wilson
the first were 4 built by Clyde 1213 1217 1220 1221 all 1936.
First Waddington was 1229.
Chris Dempsey 23 Jun
Talking about 1006 chassis being fitted with the body of AEC Regent 1189 how about this one a Leyland TD1 fitted with the body of the only Thornycroft Daring double decker 1336 to see government service in Sydney and went in service with Henson Bus Service in Wollongong sadly this was scrapped but 1336 chassis still exist at the bus museum I hope.
Photographer Vic Hayes picture source unknown
Norman Julian
That body looks high on the chassis.
Chris Dempsey
At least worked when it came needing a bus Norm
David Wilson
photographer was the late Vic Hayes
Norman Julian
Love to have it!
David Wilson
I'd be happy with just the TD-1 chassis !
Chris Dempsey 19 Jun
Want to have a go at restoring this Norm might take you twenty years but hey Toronto Motor Service AEC Renown m/o-619 ex 10 (1010).Photographer unknown picture from Google images
Rusty Williams
I allways thought that bus went to ROVER MOTERS cessnock.
Din't it have a large middle door on the bottom deck.
Brian Blunt
Rusty Williams has Toronto on the sign
Norman Julian
That's a big bus
John Clarke
You're going to need a bigger shed.
Norman Julian
The shed is full
John Clarke
Norman Julian Have you seen "Jaws"?
I was (slightly) misquoting!
Norman Julian
That bus is as long as a leopard I'd say.
Bob Gioia
How can you restore something that doesn't exist?
Norman Julian
Ha ha
That's a good question, Bob!
Norman Julian
That looks like it would have been more than a handful to drive.
David Wilson
it was a mechanical preselector
Anthony Christie
Rovers bought a large amount of vehicles from the DRTT during this era.
They scrapped numerous for parts and rebuilt many.
1010 was onsold to Toronto.
They bought the mangled body of 1189 and placed it on the chassis of a burnt out TD1.
Unfortunately many rare beasts such as the AEC Q's did not escape as body parts and chassis bits were canibalised.
It would be amazing if the chassis of a Q turned up on a farm somewhere as a trailer.
Rusty Williams
I thought I saw a pic of 1010 ay rovers it had a centre door.
Anthony Christie
Rusty Williams no you're thinking of old number 15 a timber framed leyland decker purchased by them new. Hope you're keeping well Rusty.
David Wilson
It has been discvered that No 15 was a very rare (in Australia) Leyland TD-7.
It would seem that when it was first built as, it was looked at by the DRTT, but the war got in the way of TD-7s making it into the Governmnet fleet
Anthony Christie
David Wilson gee that is interesting to know.
Ben Summers
No. 15 was new to Rover Motors in 1939, Anthony Christie.
Anthony Christie
Ben Summers and ended up at Chapmans in Newcastle known as Matilda.
When it was new it was displayed at the Consevatorium if Music in Sydney.
Ben Summers Wow!
David Wilson
It was also at LInsleys and ended up at Chapmans -where it was burnt out.Or was it the other way round ?
Rusty Williams
Anthony Christie thats the bus I was talking about had a middle door on lower deck only
Anthony Christie
David Wilson i think it went to Chapmans then Linsleys then back to Chapmans.
David Wilson
you could be right.
I've seen a picture of it with Linsleys somewhere
Chris Dempsey 23 June
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Rover Motors 15 Leyland TD7 MO-493 leading a bus parade down Vincent Street Cessnock with one of the AEC Qs behind 15.
Picture from the Ken Magor collection
Ben Summers
A lot of those buildings are there today and still used.
Rusty Williams
Good old vincent street now no more semis 24/7 there as they use the new by-pass freeway its a plesure to go there now.
Ben Summers
It's busy enough without trucks.
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June 2019
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